City of division, Firegaming's new game showcase lifestream announcement

Again, I'm not bashing the game. But I am criticising how you advertise it/how you organise your betas and try to dodge community feedback instead of maybe trying new things. Its just simply energy waste talking to you at this point.

That's true, I agree. Some developers, while their game is in beta and they are having testers, sometimes even pay for a smaller server, so while the test is in progress, they don't have to pay a lot. I don't know what's the case here, but if there were such big problems with the server, Jonathan and Marchoffmann could have turned to you personally and tell about it, in a professional manner. They did not, though. It means they are either picking on the game for some inadequate reasons, or they are looking for some attention. None of the two is cool.



-- (Djonan):
@18 Well, the problem they're talking about is not a problem at all, not sure what they are attempting to do or say here. Besides, they can't even know. And, as far as i know, there is no problem with our server, or the game's server itself.
Anyways, personally i would think it's better to not try to predict certain things, if somebody is not able to know those particoular things for sure. That is not necessary and it won't add anything. Just await it and we'll see how things go.

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Are you allowed to say anything about the beta publicly? If I were Djonan, I would have already kicked you out.

-- (Jonathan):
Glad that everyone considers a problem different. Sure, if something works for you it is not a problem. I understand the concepts of beeing egoistic my friend. Besides again I would like to mention that there where more people besides me and Marc, and that we have had our conversations in private about this already. But yes, we'll wait for the next beta session which will force us to play on 3 days I probably won't have time to test all new amazing features you added and then just chill again months without any info. Thank you. Whatever it makes no sence at all. We should just give up the pointless talking, since noone will accept/understand the other side anyway. Lets see what the future of this game will bring.

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have to agree with blindpro on this one. alsow, what is 8 pm your time in cst?

If you open the stream, you are going to see the starting time adapted to your time zone.

-- (khalil2009):
have to agree with blindpro on this one. alsow, what is 8 pm your time in cst?

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@18 What do you mean about FH being slow for updates? It usually updates in about 30 seconds for me. And as with Marc and Jonathan, did you tell the FH team this?

I don't know what you guys expect, but if I say that I have talked with them privately about this, then I did so. I'm not going to leak pm's, and I have not leaked anything about the game. I have criticised their beta concepts, and since they don't even try/think about what you say, as their tester, whaat other option do I have?
I quote Djonan: "If the beta system works for us, thats the most important atm.".
Okay, amazing, so if 3 testers tell you that the beta session concept might not be a good idea, what do you say or do? Hmm, no. Its best for us so it doesn't matters. And again, I have the right to write down my concerns, and I am not doing this because I want to bash their game since I think that they have a great potential.
I am just afraid that after 2 beta sessions which lasted each for like 3/4 days, we still have bugs or problems. And it simply makes no sence to me how a tester should find and report bugs if they basically block your access 90% of the time, and don't even give you any sort of info between these sessions. And again I would like to mention that I was probably one of the people with the most play time, especially at the first session, and I think this game is great and I like the fire gaming team. But it pisses me off how you can't say a single bit of criticism, no matter if in private or in public, and in the end nothing, 0.0% is changing.

What you mean by FH?
About srv for me it's normal that server can crash or work slover on beta because noone needs a powerfull server for testing during the beta period where only few players's active.
So Marc and Jonathan, your behaviour is really unprofessional, even leaving aside that you calling everyone a kid, where one of you also not even 18. Ridiculous and sad.

I have never called anyone kid here, so um, not sure what you refering to, and I encourage you to read my last post again. Then tell me what exactly I am doing wrong, and not just say behaviour behaviour, cuz that says nothing at all.
And idk how we now stop by that server topic so long, since that wasn't even my main point. But reading skills have to be practised I guess.

First thing, I think marc and Jonathan they are allergic to firegaming :P. Secondly, Marc said to Dionan "kid", Despite He is 2 years younger xd. I'm not in the beta, but I heard about it a lot of great opinions from betatesters, so I can't wait of public version.

Nah, I used to love they're potential a lot, and at least, technically, I still do. Stop putting words into my mouth.
Now, dudes, especially me and Jonathan talked a lot to you guys privately, but you were basically stuck on your own. You might have listened to the critisism, but you directly rejected it with some unreasonable but statements. Now what we talked about, there were a bunch of bugs from the first to the second session, that we raised our concerns about, and none of them got fixed. But o, that other member has suggested like 12 new features and many of them are already implemented. I don't know anymore man.
If you don't want constructive critics, help me to understand that.
Now regarding the game, it has a few great systems which I'm no, not gonna spoil, though there are ofc few things that won't make sense to me, but game balancing is hard for certain.

@marchofman If we don't listen to feedback, why would we have even talked privately about this? Please stop bringing this up in public topics, because it isn't going to change anything about the situation. We aren't suddenly going to do the things you say just because you are now posting this stuf in public. If you think it's worth your energy to discuss this again, just pm me again and I will be able to give you the same answers.

@27. At first, we did react on you guys's request, and made the last beta last a entire week. And be honest, if we make it longer, all that every_body would do, is playing for there own pleasure. Second, yeah my man, you certainly have the rights to tell and write down your concerns, but that kind of depends on the way you do it, by which i mean not always publicly. And at post 21, that is entirely mutual my friend. And it's not a case of dodging feedback, you as a developer yourself should understand that.
Also @32, marc, you know that is not tru. We do listen to your feedback, and in the meanwhile we did fix lots of those mensioned bugs. And no, we don't add features just on a single members suggestions or whatever. That is just spitting words if I may be honest. Also, when a bug doesn't get's fixed immediately, that is not just without A reason.
And @monkey, agree. Lets just quit this conversation that won't lead anywhere, and await things folks.

Yes, I kept giving feedback until they decided to kick me out of the discord server, without any warnings or such. :)
I'm not saying it made me sad though, to be honest I rather had a good laugh. It was impossible to test anyway, with 0 players online.

-- (Sir-Charlie):
@18 What do you mean about FH being slow for updates? It usually updates in about 30 seconds for me. And as with Marc and Jonathan, did you tell the FH team this?

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Three testers of how many? If there are about 50 testers, 3 is not really a good tendency.

-- (Jonathan):
I don't know what you guys expect, but if I say that I have talked with them privately about this, then I did so. I'm not going to leak pm's, and I have not leaked anything about the game. I have criticised their beta concepts, and since they don't even try/think about what you say, as their tester, whaat other option do I have?
I quote Djonan: "If the beta system works for us, thats the most important atm.".
Okay, amazing, so if 3 testers tell you that the beta session concept might not be a good idea, what do you say or do? Hmm, no. Its best for us so it doesn't matters. And again, I have the right to write down my concerns, and I am not doing this because I want to bash their game since I think that they have a great potential.
I am just afraid that after 2 beta sessions which lasted each for like 3/4 days, we still have bugs or problems. And it simply makes no sence to me how a tester should find and report bugs if they basically block your access 90% of the time, and don't even give you any sort of info between these sessions. And again I would like to mention that I was probably one of the people with the most play time, especially at the first session, and I think this game is great and I like the fire gaming team. But it pisses me off how you can't say a single bit of criticism, no matter if in private or in public, and in the end nothing, 0.0% is changing.

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FH is Final Hour, a game still in beta.
The problem is that there are like 50 testers there, so I'd expect them to provide at least a decent server for all the players. As I said though, usually noone tested the game, so we couldn't even see the way the server handles the players all at once, with the maximum amount of online users being 3 at the same time.

-- (daszekmdn):
What you mean by FH?
About srv for me it's normal that server can crash or work slover on beta because noone needs a powerfull server for testing during the beta period where only few players's active.
So Marc and Jonathan, your behaviour is really unprofessional, even leaving aside that you calling everyone a kid, where one of you also not even 18. Ridiculous and sad.

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Then, broh who said cod has 50 testers? It's like, 8 to 10 something, of which not many appeared online due to many reasons I figured.
Now to monkey, so why giving me the same answers? I hope that you won't have the energy for really, doing that. It'd be pretty sad if yes, since this way, I'm surely not gonna understand your guys logic which is all I actually wanted to try, though it seems to not work. O well, yall have fun then.


Pretty speechless about yall. I'm not sure why I even waste my energy for posting this because it's going to bring absolutely nothing. Why do I still do it? I don't know anymore, either. It's a lost case.
About the stream, good luck and have fun for those watching.

@35 lmfao what? You don't need people to test the game since you're playing against AI. Also the only, "Feedback" I saw from you was 1 message going on about professional developers being refused or something.

You surely don't sit in discord all day, so don't I. It's absolutely possible not to see some messages of a specific user, especially if the timezone is way different.
As an average user myself, I would have liked to test how many players the server can hold at once, after how many connections it starts to lag so much that you are unable to play. It's very important, as we have already seen in other examples.

@42, you do know Discord has chat history, right? Also, that's not for you to test. That's an issue for the developers. As a beta tester your responsibility should be t actually test the game and it's mechanics, not to play pen tester.