the android thread

Hello my friends, this is my first forum thread here in Elton and I've created this thread in order for you, in order for us to discuss everything that has to do with Android, everything that you have to do with Android phones, how to fix any problem you have with your phone, any questions about any phone brand or anything like that. Any problems that you have with a cell phone or recommend new cell phones or anything like this. So this is your thread about Android phones. I hope you enjoy this new thing and have fun. Bye bye.

hello folks steffen speaking from germany yeah android um i've got an android device since two years now um more than two years to be precisely a lenovo moto g4 plus lenovo is the company who owns the old motorola brand and they are selling smartphones uh under the motorola brand i think g6 g6 plus and g6 play are the middle class devices they are selling now under the motorola brand um i more like the stock android devices because um you don't have so much rubbish on it like on the samsung phones um that's why i will never get a samsung phone uh but i really but i really would like to test the samsung's own screen reader via voice assistant it's a fork of talkback but with a lot of improvements and i really really would like to test it but samsung doesn't provide it outside their own phones so i'll probably never will see it but who knows yeah as said i'm more like the stock android phones because they are getting more frequent updates even the cheaper phones get updates the g4 plus is two years old now and a an update to android 8 is promised but i think i'll never see it so most likely i'll get a new device and throw this thing away or put a custom rom on it i don't know what i do with it but as long as this thing works i'll use it and i'll use it as long as my apps still work on it and yeah as long as security allows to use it yeah i like android it's more open than the apple devices i never had an iphone and can't tell the difference between handling of these devices the iphones probably have more advantages in user experience but um yeah once i had my smartphone it only took me a few hours to fully control the basic functions of the telephone so yeah i like android

yeah the problem with phones is that people say that um people say that samsung devices have a lot of things that you don't use you know they have they call they call bloatware you know to that term because the you know bloatware is that kind of those kind of programs that those kind of applications that you don't use at all you know they have a lot of them but google i mean google devices like pixels and and motorola also have it i mean they also have it because i mean despite the fact that they that many people say that motorola devices are uh they have android pure is not is not that pure to be honest it's not that pure because it it still have it still has bloatware it still has things that you don't use at all it has um because for example you have google play movies you have uh google play movies google play books google magazines and this is uh your google plus and well i use google plus but not many you know uh it's not such a bit but not you know not almost no one in the rest of the world is using it that much like to make it a a common thing you know me and my friends and yeah some some people that i know they use google plus but not all you know not everyone not one you know just like 80 it's not like let's see not like 60 of people are using google google plus or anything like that and google play movies or google play books or google magazines those are bloodware for me yeah and it also have a lot has a lot of google things they have i also have a lot of there are a lot of google things that are for me are considered bloodware so for me an android pure would be a phone that only had that only had talkback and the play store and that's it talkback and the play store and that's it and i am in charge of all the other applications you know you know what i mean and what about custom roms you were you were mentioning custom roms i think custom roms is kind of sheeny in this in this sense because um custom roms are they are they're good because your phone run runs your fun your phone uh your phone runs faster yeah it's much faster and it's more fluent but the problem with custom roms is that some applications don't give you technical support if you have a custom run for example whatsapp if you have a problem with with whatsapp you can't use it they don't they don't reply to you i mean they don't reply to you as quickly as if you had a stock phone they don't give you that much support if you have a custom run they say that in the in in their in their in their readme and in their blog they say that so that's something to analyze so that's something to analyze

I think there are two problems regarding so-called bloodware. The first problem is that Google enforces manufacturers to put Google's own software or at least a set of Google products on their phones, otherwise they are not allowed to sell them. And the second problem is, what's a phone without a minimum of tools to get users started? A user who buys a phone would like to switch it on and have at least a set of tools to begin with. And yeah, from Google's point of view. Their own tools are a good start, I think. The Google tools, yeah, they don't annoy me much. If I don't need them, I can just switch them off. I can't uninstall them, but I can deactivate them. But yeah, there are two sides of the metal. A phone just with TalkBack and Google Play on it and a basic launcher or something. Nice idea, but I think it won't work that much.

Ok, this is recording, I hope this is recording. I'm new to this application and I'm still testing it, ok? I know you Slan, I know you and you know me, I'm Daniel Villalon from Spain and I'm happy you are here in this social network I see this post for Android and it is very interesting the discussions you are having here, ok? I'm going to give my point of view, I concur with you because the Pure Android is the best solution for blind And I think the Pure Android is the best solution for blind And I think the Pure Android is the best solution for blind for every person in the world because many manufacturers are introducing bloatware in the phones and this bloatware is only slowing the user experience I believe in Android I had an iPhone in 2012 I had an iPhone and when I changed I switched to Android everything for me goes better because Android is more customizable for the advanced user, for example I, for example, think that the iPhone experience is more oriented to the basic user because it's very easy to it's very intuitive but if you, for example, are studying computing and are a technician or something similar you need Android because Android is giving you the freedom to do with your phone everything you want okay for example I use the majority of the Google applications, I use Google News, I use YouTube, I use Google Maps a few, Google Calendar, yes I use it and many applications of Google I think that the majority of the world is using, because the majority of Google applications don't are shit I don't know the better way to explain this but the applications install... the manufacturer... are garbage in the majority, ok? are garbage I don't use, for example, I don't use the applications of Motorola, I don't use... I don't have examples now, but... for example, Motorola others is... is unuseful you think it's unuseful, I don't know, probably for more basic users to are learning... to... to... are learning to manage the phone, probably is more, but... I don't know Motorola in the first and in the second generation was pure Android but... but... at the third generation and far away are... are... having many many shit to the system and no... I don't consider that Android in Motorola is pure because they are... having many many shit ok? this is my... this is my point of view I'm probably going to... to switch to Xiaomi and... and try this... this... this is not a pure Android because they are using MIUI or something and... but I will try I will try ok... ok, this is my... this is my point of view I'm going to... ok... how I stop this recording? I... I will try this is my first day in... in... in Elton, eh? ok? sorry for my... sorry for my... for my errors and for my... for my... for my English, my English is not good, eh? ok? I'm going to... to post this

um okay let me see yeah i know i know you i know you daniel i know you because you are in you know i'm using your team talk server and um i also know you from skype i used to talk to you i used to talk to you in you know a few years ago yeah i know and okay let me see um thing is that okay what i want uh what i want an opinion is where i want and the opinion is that uh what i was saying is that um i don't think that there's a really pure android you say that pure android it's uh you know it's the best solution for blind people but if we analyze the thing if we analyze the thing i don't think that there is a really pure android android is not uh 100% pure in any of in any device yeah why do i say that i mean why do i say that because even though motorola and there are some brands that says that they sell they sell devices with pure android i don't really think that this is that this is pure android why do i say that because google has bloatware too google has you know play movies play books google magazines and google plus well there are some people that's that use google plus but i don't really think that um yeah it's considered bloatware you know for some use for most users you know so to be honest i don't really think that there is really pure android you know what would be pure android for me pure android for me would be a device that has only talkback the play store and basic things from a phone you know like the talkback okay talkback for for blind people the play store and let's see basic things about basic things of the phone you know like the notes contacts messages and the phone app yeah and uh the fm radio as a compliment but only that only that the rest of things okay you know you are the one the one that that decides which phones you know which apps to download and which apps not to download this , this would be a really pure android like for example you turn on your phone and you only see messages contacts phone app you know for making and receiving calls play store okay and that's it and your talk back speaking in the background that's okay that would be pure android for me in my context that would be pure android for me in my context yeah that would be pure android that would be pure android nowadays there isn't really pure android because all phones even though that they say that it comes want everything going to the world you know that some brands that tell you that they have that they will sell you a phone with pure android wake up they come with google block wear so it's not the same thing it's not really pure android i mean at least not 100 pure Android ya fool youtube You know what I mean?

Hello. I think that Android is very good in my opinion, of course. But, of course, we are going to have the same debate as it is with JAWS and NVDA. Some will say that, oh, iPhone is the best. There is nothing like the iPhone. It is very accessible. It is. Android also is accessible. I use it since almost, I would say, five years now. I have Nexus 5. Yes, there are some Google applications, which is inevitable. Since Android is a Google product. But what I like about Android versus iPhone is that you don't have iTunes. iTunes is not very practical, I would use that word, because especially when you want to put some music from your computer into your phone, you don't have iTunes. With Android, it's a plug and play. You just, with some phones, however, you have to select what you want to do with the USB. But besides that, it will put your folder the same way as they are in your computer, whereas with your iPhone, iTunes puts it in a complete disorder unless you spend a lot of time tagging each file. So, it is quite a nightmare. Also, there is also the problem of price. If you want to buy an iPhone, you want to buy Apple, you have to use the iPhone and nothing else, which is, for some people, very expensive. For me, also. And with Android, you can buy different phones. You have a choice. There are some applications that I use. I forgot to mute my Twitter. You have, I use the radio, for example. I have a good application. There are some Germans here on this thread. Maybe they know the one called radio.net. It's from Hamburg, and it's very good. I use it. Instead of tuning radio, because it's, first of all, good, there is a version with ads, and there is a paid version. I have the paid version, and it's quite usable. You can put favorites. You can be woken up by the radio. I use Twitter, of course. I don't use Facebook on my phone, except for Messenger. But what I use works fine. Of course, if someone has a question about how to use the phone, a problem with commands, or with how to operate the system, I will be more than happy to help. That's it for now. Let me see if this works. That's it. That's what we call it. That's it.

Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing with iPhones. The iPhone is really expensive. I cannot deny that iPhone has better accessibility than Android because I got to recognize, you know, I got to recognize that iPhone is much better than Android in some senses. Because accessibility, you know, like voiceover, you know, voiceover and many apps are working with voiceover because Apple, like, Apple has the philosophy, you know, I mean, in their philosophy, they have accessibility in mind. So they, they do everything in their hands for, you know, for everything to be accessible or for at least, you know, for everything to be accessible. So the apps that you're going to use or the apps that you're probably testing are accessible. But they have a disadvantage that they are too expensive. iPhones are extremely expensive. And much more for me because I don't have, I don't have enough money. If I don't have money for an Android, I wouldn't have money for an iPhone. Definitely not. Another thing that I don't like about iPhone is that the technology is very closed. Yeah. It's very closed. You cannot use anything from, I mean, you can use keyboards, you can, you can use third party keyboards because they have compatibility with third party keyboards. But many apps that there are many apps. That you have to use the Apple ones. You cannot use any third party apps or anything like that. I mean, like, for example, screen reader, you can only use voiceover and voices, for example, you can only use the Apple voices. Like, it's not like an Android, like you can use all kind of voices that you want or any kind of screen reader that you want. Android is more open in that sense. So this is, this is why I like Android. And another thing that I don't like about iPhone is that, uh, you cannot share things by using Bluetooth. The iPhone's Bluetooth is only for connecting things, you know, for connecting a headphone or for connecting, uh, uh, you know, for connecting a keyboard or anything like that. But you cannot use the Bluetooth of the iPhone to share files. So that's definitely sheeny. And now, tell me something. Uh, this radio application you just mentioned, this is, uh, I mean, this is, this only has, it only has German radio stations or you can listen to any kind of station from around the world.

Friendly greetings, this is Daniel. Uh, okay. Uh, I really don't know what to say here, because I've tried Android before, back when there was an older version, but I haven't tried it since. So, uh, yeah. I don't think that one thing is better than another, I think that one is probably just as good.